her. they're all superdelegates. so they do have an edge. >> and so -- let me stay with you, larry. with this edge and she puts it out there that we have them, is that a signal to joe biden, don't even bother right now. i'm almost there. no since wasting you on your donor's money. >> hillary or the clinton campaign doesn't want to come down hard on biden. that would encourage him to get in. they're sending subtle signals, joe, look at this objectively. we're way ahead of you in money, we're way ahead of you in organization, we're way ahead of you in delegates. why would you want to go out this way? >> he met on weekend sat down with elizabeth warren and people knew about this. what's that all about? what's he telling the world? >> he's trying to methodically figure out if there's a path to