reduced -- and that's going to happen naturally. there's a winnowing even before the first votes are cast in iowa. as you get fewer republican candidates, there will be more of a coalescing of support and i don't believe it's going to coalesce around donald trump. it's kind of donald trump versus most of the rest of the candidates. >> when do you think the winnowing process will start to happen? >> the winnowing? well, i think it's already happening behind the scenes. you know, if you can't get in the adult debates, your money's going to dry up, and that's happening to a couple of those candidates, maybe more than a couple, that were, as we say at the kids' table debate on fox a few weeks ago. we'll see what happens at the second debate on cnn whether a different people get into that adult table versus the kids' table. but that's going to have an impact. the donors have an impact. they can withdraw their money. and, look, staffers don't work