he is can get 5,000 or 6,000. that's very very rare. >> it may be too early it about worrying where the votes are coming from. not too early to worry about the money. the big donors, what do they want to see their guy, the rubio donors, the jeb bush donors, the chris christie donors. what do they want to see their guy do or in the case of carlie foreignna, their gal do? they want top see them take on trump or to develop their own campaign? >> well, there is a huge gamble in that developing one's own campaign in the shadow of trump means you can just disappear in relative security. three weeks from yesterday is another debate. maybe the last time two tiered debate. the rest of the debates being whittled considerably particularly if trump is olding the rest of the field in the single digits and he is in the high 20's. he can't be treated as unserious candidate. jeb is doing exactly that what the donors want is essentially people to call him out and talk about specifics. he has proven himself a masterful speech maker with rhetoric that doesn't have a