cheating. i prefer lipstick on a collar orie seat in the pants pocket. that's the way to do it. when we are speaking about morality, which is more wrong? cheating or hacking and exposing -- like posting this leak? >> that's what i'm looking for. >> cheating is more wrong. >> when the sony leak happened, and all of these e-mails are being put on blast we are like, oh, porally, should -- morally, should i look at these e-mails? should i not? i get the whole karma thing. i do. some of the e-mails were not nice from the sony execs. on a pour rail tee standpoint none of us are saints. >> i can't believe it you do sympathize more. you think the hackers are okay? you said cheating is worse than releasing the names of millions of people and ruining tens of thousands of lives? >> what we are balancing is your right to privacy on the