thought she looked fantastic. she looks relatable, approachable. jesse has a thing for plaid. that was working for him. and she just really owns the moment and feels like to me it looks like she feels very comfortable in her own skin. i think people do respond to that. there's an authenticity with her. and also she's always very well prepared for the event. like you don't feel like she needs like 10, 12, 15 people to like handle her and micromanage and tell her what to say and what to think and how to dress and all the above. >> i like her, too. i must say she was the subject of a critical piece today again looking at her background. hewlett-packard, her corporate background. >> must mean she's doing something right. >> here she is now saying this minimum wage. the workers really they don't need it. what do you think, jesse? >> that's not what she said. >> typical liberalism. good intentioned. but when you raise the minimum wage it has a bad result. look what happens to workers when they get a hike they want to cut their hours lower their income and stay on welfare. or the company just passes the labor costs onto the customers,