absolutely beyond the jurisdiction of the constitution. this is power that should be shifted back to the states. whether it's the epa. there is no role at the federal level for the department of education. and i'm still one who says that we can get rid of the internal revenue service if we would pass the fair tax, which is a tax on consumption rather than a tax on people's income and move power back where the founders believed it should have been all along. >> dr. carson do you agree with that? >> what i agree with is that we need a significantly changed taxation system. and the one that i've advocated is based on timing. because i think god is a fair guy. and he said you know if you give me a tithe, it doesn't matter how much you made. if you have a bumper crop you don't owe me triple tithes and you don't have no crops, you don't owe me no tithes. that's why i've advocated a proportional tax system.