he called him a hero four times. he's technically correct in that. that washe egregious line to me. with that stand, cumulatively does this hurt him? >> nobody cares what donald trump's opinion is of john mccain's war heroism. mccain was a war hero period end of discussion. i think the outrageous line was when he seem today mock mccain for his own captivity. i went to the press conference after his session with frank on stage, and asked him repeatedly if he would apologize, i asked him if he was familiar with john mccain's story, with the story of him in captivity. the lengths mccain went to in order not to give up information to the enemy. and the torture that he withstood. and donald trump said to me it's irrelevant. that was his quote. look i think we're projecting here. we're trying to make donald trump into something he's not. it's silly to have a discussion about what donald trump could do