more than hillary clinton. guys that don't look the part, they don't look presidential -- >> what are you saying? charles crad hammer described his look. >> it is not essential casting for the next president. but at the same time both of them are able to attract the younger voters to like the fact that they are both very pure. >> i think also to bring into this as well we have the president going to wisconsin and governor walker being in wisconsin and the fact sanders got there and we expect the republican governor to expect his run for the white house and be an opponent for the leaders. what do we draw away from this