other than a deity, they have not been able to. >> look, but that's not the point the point is logical or not or you could produce an august -789d or not the fact that the secularization of the west is a direct result of the rise of science and you might say the narrowing of the areas of ignorance and uncertainty that we had had for centuries. >> i only have a minute or so left. >> whether or not it's justified or not is a separate issue. it's a sociological fact. >> 30 seconds on number two and 30 seconds on number three. two. >> number the two the secular left realizing it wasn't going to win on politics. decided to march through the cultural institutions, the universities, the media hollywood, and number three the reason that's important is young people no longer are raised by their parents. they get outside influence through their ears, through the internet, on television