going to stop this is take back the territory and stop their ability to say we have what we always wanted . >> isn't the problem is that's their territory. they're going to move it somewhere else. >> it's like cockroaches, step on it here, they show up over i don't hate to say it. here. it's not a bad analogy in a sense. you're right. we have you're right. we have to be pragmatic, deal with the problem in front of us. we'd love to think somewhere down the road we're going to get to root causes of extremism. >> it's not attractive, not something you should do. not a lifestyle that's ende looks looks like something glorious. afraid to attack a. >> what would you like to hear from the white house today? >> a, talk in very explicit terms about this being an isis