look at it. but we have to educate the american people what this is about. people are not listening to their phone calls right now. they're nod -- not reading their e-mails unless they have a court order. so we just have to have an informed conversation about it. >> we're negotiating with the government of qatar to the five former get move detainees part of the bowe bergdahl swap, and i talked to general petraeus who still stands by the deal. >> this will work out. they -- >> will we reget the swap in retrospect? >> i think it was a very tough and very close call. >> do you think it was worth it? >> i think we have to get american service members back. i won't judge whether that particular swap was a good plan. i think we navigate from where we are now. think it's very likely -- >> knowing what you could know now, general about the bowe