become women in the workplace, pay equity child care subsidies. she does it very effectively. we of course all want a fair workplace but progress ins have often portrayed the workplace as openly hostile and i think fiorina is saying enough is enough and she's doing a great job. >> is carly right about equal pay? >> i don't think so. i'm glad to hear a republican talking about the pay gap. but i think with seniority, you do get some institutional knowledge and the reality is only 15% -- fewer than 15% of women are in a union but when they are in a union, represented organized labor, they are paid more -- than women who are not. so those are some of the facts. >> here's specifically what carly said about seniority. the federal government is a seniority system which means they don't pay for performance. which know for example, that a man can sit in a federal government job and watch pornography all day long while