why sean said it's hard to get into harvard, yale and princeton. >> those are some of the few words even possible to read the great books. do you think most collegeses they are reading great books because you are absolutely wrong. >> you are wrong, i think i actually go to college campuses more often but i'm just saying to you -- >> your idea is that great books and the ability to think and the ability to speak doesn't matter. the ability to write doesn't matter. >> there is no evidence that going to college -- >> big job, big paying job that pays off your college degree wrong. >> you said nobody is trying to sell colleges as being good. >> you are. >> for making money. that's all you seem -- only value -- >> i'm still talking? >> go go go. >> you said no one is selling college as a way to make more money and you said it will help you make more money. >> no no no. >> so yes, you democrats, michelle obama as they used to do with the zero down mortgages, when you spend $2 million on this house it's an investment in your future.