yorker." that's terrible. some of these things that were said about her were said on right wing blogs and do you think she really was hurt by them? she said -- she had trouble sleeps at night because she wonder fundamental people really liked her? do you believe that. >> yes. >> i do not believe it for a second. >> i don't understand this demon skaigs of her. >> i don't -- >> i'm not saying demonization -- >> she's not a public person. she's married to a public person and -- is there she's the first lady. >> but she wasn't the first lady when she's talking about the first time she sees herself on the cover of a magazine and being caricatured in this way i think that would -- >> by "the new yorker" who loves her. >> i mean -- >> well let me just say, first of all, the thing to keep in mind it's tuskegee working class to poor black kids who are, you know at the edge of the college experience in america and i think they want to know that michelle obama has some bonding with them that she goes through the experience of being suspected of being a