framers of the constitution. bill: what senator paul would argue, in a time of perceived and -- chaos don't panic. >> he's wrapping himself in the beauty of his rhetoric. you can't have a period of time without the tools in place. senator pails also an advocate of gutting the defense budget. he's in fact to the left of obama on both of those issues. if he wants to have a debate he ought to stand up and have the debate and not just block legislation. bill: the i.g. says they cannot point to a single plot that has been foiled thanks to bulk data collection. >> there is a difference between can't point and would prefer not to make public those that have