the dna experts took a look at that ran tests and that's how they nabbed the guy. is that reliable? >> that's extremely reliable. dna evidence these days is how we are linking a lot of crimes to the culprit. we think about aaron hernandez. that was bubble gum. now we have a pizza crust. this is a is a lie virginiasaliva dna to the accused. >> the jurors put a lot of stock in dna evidence. now, this guy wint's former attorney says police clearly have the wrong guy because this is a lovely person. he wouldn't hurt a fly. well you know this former lawyer seems to have forgotten the 30 brush-ups with the law and convictions. multiple charges of beating a woman. stabbing a man. he pled guilty to threatening to kill a woman and her infant and he threatened to murder his own family. so is this lawyer just spinning