vice-presidents, two have been governor -- excuse me -- three vice-presidents two governors one has been a general. democrats tend to nominate senators more often than republicans out or their last six, two vice-presidents two governors, and two senators, barack obama and jfk. but i think this was more rick perry saying, don't you want to have a governor, chief executive who makes decision? that was separate and i part from the debate we're seeing in congress. and i have to say i was -- with respect to your last guest judge napolitano, i respectfully disagree. i was in the white house win these kind of programs helped us interdict terrorism -- acts of terror and stopped the terrorists from coming here and allow to us fight them abroad and i think it's extremely dangerous for our country to return to a pre9/11 mentality like senator paul calls for by repealing the patriot act. patriot act, for example allows us to -- all these charges against terrorists, material support of terrorists, cyber