selling drugs and guns. there are members that are. they are tolerated within that gang. they are protected and respected within that gang. that's what delineates them from being a club. when they commit those types of violent crimes and they are protected you become a gang. >> is there a leader of the banditos? do you know who that is and are they well-known? >> i honestly can't tell you hot figure-head of the gang is they do have a structured leadership much like traditional organized crime where the foot soldiers are down on the street, down in the weeds doing the dirt. and the higher up you go the better insulated you are. >> jay, thank you very much. of course have you written a book about this. it's fascinating read on sort of the culture of some of these crime as i understand cat biker gang. thank you very much for joining us. >> thanks for having me. >> and at fox news ed henry catch presidential candidate hillary clinton off