should she inflict in self inflicted wounds of jeb bush? >> listen. the sad thing is she starts out with 47% of the vote. that's it. >> right. >> and it's pretty darn tough to go below that or to get much past 52%. >> you're dreaming. i think she loses this election. what do you think, joe? >> oh oh sean. you're so -- i'm telling you. so wrong about that. this is going or the very tough election for the republicans to win. doesn't mean they can't. >> history proves you're wrong and i'm right. things are so bad. >> wouldn't you agree the republicans have done a great job seizing the defeat of the jaws of victory? >> i remember having a similar conversation with you, sean 2012 about barack obama's chances of winning, as well. >> listen. i thought it was easier then. i think they have a very hard time this time and the slate of