program as it is with the government holding those billions of records not private companies because he says he's not sure the private companies are up to it. >> well i think you're going to have a debate in the congress house and senate on this. i know judiciary is in the process of marking there, fisa reform and patriot act authorization, we'll see what happens through the amendment. process. when i was doing this in my own practice we had no problem getting information for the private phone carriers when we needed that information. >> i want to go back though to the question because there are a lot of critics who say this hasn't been that effective anyway and hasn't broken up plots. from your experience as a prosecutor and chairman of house homeland security how important and how effective is the program to have the metadata to be able to connect the dots and not the