like the humane thing to do except for one thing. the poverty rate was declining actually before we started the war on poverty. in fact since we started the war on poverty, since 1966 the poverty rate has actually gone up. there are ohm a few ways to cut poverty, proven ways. keep a job, any job full time stay in high school until you graduate and don't get pregnant outside marriage. you line up all those statistics the poverty rate diminishes dramatically. throwing money as great and as mom and apple pie as it sounds just hasn't proven to be the solution. >> suzie, where do you fall on the issue? >> i think we might be talking about the wrong kind of spending. we're talking about the money that's being spent on fighting the war on poverty but the government is spent on a lot of money b began tick regulation machinery in washington.