payments are influence payments trying to get the clintons to influence foreign policy. martha: you're getting a lot of pushback. people look at this you can lay all this out but there is not a shred of evidence-- listen to john podesta talking about this. >> it's a book that is written by a former bush operative who is reporter for that august news institution breitbart.com or has been in the past. he is cherry-picked information that has been disclosed. and woven a bunch of conspiracy theories bit. the facts there is nothing new about, conspiracy theories i guess we'll get to judge when we read the book. martha: so what do you say to the not a link, not a shred of evidence for an actual thing that took place in policy, that was triggered by these payments? >> it is funny because he says i cherry-picked information. i didn't cherry-pick the information. we followed the money.