>> it's 123 deaths. the last year that we have 2012, from the cdc, do you know for 2013 the fbi, the latest statistics that we have murder statistics, black on black crime, do you know how many actual murders took place in 2013? >> well i tell you this is a problem that we have in our society with crime -- >> but i'll give you the number. there's a big disparity. >> it stems from hopelessness in our society, and a lot of what we do here in d.c. contributes to the sense of hopelessness in the black community. >> so in 2012 the cdc says there was law enforcement killing or being involved in the fatality of black, black fatalities to 123, but black on black crime 2013 according to the fbi is 2,245. your comments are against the police department and militarization. >> my comments -- >> isn't it a bigger issue,