polls earlier this week, 25% death. 75% of massachusetts life in prison. >> is that -- does it factor in they believe that death would make him a martyr for his cause? >> it shouldn't, but it probably does. i tell you what also factors in, in some respects life in prison would be a more severe penalty for imhad. this prison in colorado, his jail cell will be 450 feet below the surface of the earth. he'll never see the light of day literally for the rest of his life. >> a lot of al qaeda guys. >> right. the government can't tell the jurors that. but they probably know it. >> all right. thank you very much for detailing what's going on behind the doors. al. >> all right. let's see if rolling stone will put him on the cover again. >> same rolling stone. 12 minutes before the top of the hour h. coming up, walmart may be forced to stop selling guns because of a church. what do you think about that?