commanders. in one year from date, and that was may. so we're coming up on that one-year anniversary. they were free what they want to do. catherine herron points out, three of the five have rejoined the taliban. >> this was this was a terrible deal. he possibly would have died, okay. but they also possibly could have died. and so i think the calculus probably was of all the bad options, the least bad option is the option that they took. i'm not suggesting it is or it isn't. i don't know what the intelligence was on this. >> maybe that's true, but now -- that could be true. but then why within the next 24 hours, do they not have the presence of mind to dial it back? every time susan rice has gone on the sunday shows she's actually known beforehand that what she's about to say is not true, like the video. i find that very bizarre. >> yeah. but it goes back to this interesting element gitmo, what does gitmo symbolize?