the bulls. is that an unnecessary thing? >> speak for yourself. [laughter] >> we talk about that all the time. but haven't we shown some good representations? we have some good friends and princesses. >> at the character. just like shrek is a character. and the thing that robert said he said that he has done some coarsening. is that true? [laughter] >> you do different things, that came from this victorian era and it's also a bit deceiving because this makes the waist look smaller. so you have a certain one that goes around there and it does taper it down. but that being said girls -- we