fanatical group that they are directing their attacks against certain people and they're very well organized this is not just some ill organized outburst that's taking place. they're well organized, militarily trained they're trying to get inside every government in the world and we're not facing up to that. you've got to have a policy that says i'm out to destroy you if you're out to destroy me. you can't just ignore it. >> wayne, doesn't he have that policy? didn't he say his policy is to destroy isis? >> but, juan at what point do words matter? >> guys, john first. >> it's to degrade and ultimately destroy. >> okay. >> that's been our attitude. >> pie point to juan is that at one point do the president's words matter? this is someone who laid down a red line and never followed through. this is a president who continuously and same were the add straying that continuously ms. speaks. a president and an administration that said isis