and when people say what's the motivation obviously the parents didn't do it for the money. if it was done by if it was done by mistake, how can you have it both ways that she drank so much wine and then became a master criminal. but then let's look at jersey joe. he's a meth he's a meth addict. what motivation what motivation does a meth addict needs? who knows what's going on in their mind. he's known for doing petty larcenies. the most compelling thing in my mind megyn there's witnesses, a husband and wife around the corner saw a male, white, bald head walking with a child at 12:30. how can anybody how can anybody just dismiss that? >> and the number dialed on deborah's phone was to megyn wright who shared phones at times, or at least was an ex. >> and knows that telephonic history had never been shown before in any of the other irwins telephone messaging or telephone numbers nor had it ever been dialed out or received before that night. >> and i know that. you saw the phone records and you actually shown them to me