corruption. >> you say that lois lerner is at least -- involved in a criminal conspiracy. so, now what? where does that leave you? >> well, it leaves us at odds with the president who initially said this was awful. he was going to get to the bowl of it. and then turned it into yet another one of those it's not scandal and it's just republicans. well, it's not just republicans. >> there is no question this is a scandal. it's a scandal of epic proportions. big enough that it could bring down a presidency. >> the veterans affairs scandal growing by the minute. >> the v.a. has always been problematic. >> disturbing allegations of treatment, delays and preventable deaths now under investigation in more than two dozen v.a. facilities nationwide. that includes the phoenix hospital where 40 veterans died. allegedly while waiting for treatment. >> this is shameful under any circumstances. it is 10 times more shameful because it's being done to the men and women who have put their lives on the line. >> and it worked. >> americans are just fed up literally up to here with what's going on in this city. the reality of it is, the