workhorse in the aviation industry. that has a good safety record. they're not ruling anything out technical fault, foul play. there was no may day or disdistress signal released and there were other planes flying in that vicinity. there are a lot of questions. there are questions for the families of passengers at both airports singapore and surabaya. sadly this kind of scene is all too familiar in this region. it has not been a good year for air travel in southeast asia. airasia is malaysia-based. all our viewers remember that it was malaysia airlines plane shot down over ukraine in july. and it's a malaysia airlines plane, again a different airline but based in malaysia plane that went missing disappeared over the south indian sea back in march. still no trace of that. of course the rescuers, the