the policing profession that needs to be transformed. there's nothing wrong with the profession or the institution of policing in america. >> dan, let me get your thoughts on this, as you listen to your colleague there from milwaukee. give me your thoughts on this. >> i think, sadly, the chief executive's first role, whether it's the president, the governor or mayor, is order. order through law. the fair and appropriate enforcement of law. i think when the mayor and the president, frankly, and eric hold, had the opportunity to say things that would have led to a series of better terms, whether it was improvement in community police relation, training improvements, the development of new police technologies, things that would heal. that's not what they did. they picked the most damaging option. and although i'm not going to go as far as to say they caused this, i am going to go as far as to say they did absolutely nothing to help the situation. and that's not leadership.