thing as taking territory. and what we're also seeing, i think, and hopefully this trend will expand -- is the loss of popular support. when they weren't able to take mosul overnight, without popular support, and people of mosul were so fed up with the iraqi government that they basically let isis in with the door wide open. but i think that tolerance is in increasingly short supply now. >> people may be scratching their heads why isis would even care what people think about how they're governing, but the idea that eye have read they have for each other or themselves they can lead like hamas has done. if you want to look at another cruel group and how they have the been able to hold elections and whatnot. is that the goal for he islamic state to have a got that looks like that? >> well, hamas was the first example of what some of us would