i think we need to be authentic and observe the tradition that so consistently is communicated faith over the centuries. i think if we do this reverently and constantly, that it will appeal, as it has appealed to millennia of generations. >> most people when they ask do you think you'll get to heaven. most people think they will. are they naive, optimistic, clueless, what? >> well they're certainly optimistic. i mean i try to hedge my bets in that regard. you know, i know that i'm -- i mean, i know me. and if i know me, god knows me a lot better than i know me, and this is going to be a traumatic moment when i'm turned to look at myself as st. augustine once said. that's what the encounter with god is, the look at the truth of who we are. >> my worst nightmare, father is that god is a cnn viewer. but that's another issue. >> that would be mine, too. >> thank you very much.