cruel as to fight over immigrants and things like that. you know, if we become a charitable nation again, we can offer people solace and compassion, but we can do it from a position of compassionate and loving authority. >> yeah. you also need money to do that but that's a separate issue. it's always been framed it's good versus evil. these isis guys they're evil, they're pretty bad, they behead journalists, do untold horrors to women and christians. do you see them in that way, and do you see, as the pope has recently said, that it is -- it is justified to go after them? >> i believe that when necessary with compassionate authority, you have to strike out. i really believe that. there was some young people who had t-shirts, in ferguson that said i'd rather be pulled over by isis than a cop. i'm like, oh, my god, do you