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free speech is to say what they did was absolutely wrong. now there is a difference though, martha, between incitement and criticism and i think some of the commentary following this tragic incident this weekend has been trying to point fingers at the level of incitement, whether it is mayor de blasio or president obama and that is just irresponsible because it does not take into account the ultimate goal here and the ultimate goal is justice. the ultimate goal is for those protesters to trust the police, when they are in trouble, that is who they want to go to. for the police to feel connected to the communities they are protecting. martha: what you just said is message we have not heard from any of the people that you just mentioned. and let's go back and take a look at some of the really hateful rhetoric that has existed in this discussion. this is al sharpton. >> even if we get knocked down,

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