sting the japanese, not the united states? i'm not sure if that's the case. i think it's funny, though, in this particular movie from what we see in the trailers, they make as much fun of america and our inabilities as they do the north koreans. >> and i know -- i told my ear, it's on the new york stock exchange and sony. that's not the point. i'm talking about the historic reference effect. i realize it's on the new york stock exchange. of course north korea's reaction is bizarre and of course they make fun of us more in the movie. but sony sort of walked into this one he with bad judgment. >> i agree. it was a ham-handed satire. it's kind of who they play to. but in this case they didn't realize they were going to get some response from a nation state. >> they could have made up a country. they could have had the same movie, just changed the name of the country. whatever. anyway, steve, thank you. >> thanks for having me, greta. >> today amid brewing outrage