is called a reverse waiver hearing where the defense argues that they should be returned to juvenile court because they can be best treated in the juvenile system. and because that will properly reflect the severity of the crime. and arguing that here will be tricky because the crime is so severe. but that will be the next step and it will be a big deal here. eric: fred, finally a slam-dunk if they admit it? >> yeah. i think proving their gilt or innocence, proving their guilt will not be difficult. if i was the prosecutor again i'm wary how young they are. maybe deal to be made that they would serve 10 to 12 years of incarceration which is awfully long time for a 12-year-old but again it is a very, very serious time. eric: we'll keep following that. meantime another story we're following, that of a former detroit area businessman who will be likely spending the rest of his life in prison. he is robert bashara. he was convicted of first-degree murder and conspiracy in murder-for-hire killing of his wife jane. the jury found him guilty on all