was going through hiss mind and you can only wish that to the senate democrats had taken the time to speak with this man before they had issued this report and he wasn't -- he wasn't relegated to offering his first thoughts on it. >> we're going to get a chance, everybody's going to get a chance to ask the question, so i will hold my second one and let eric go next. >> when i heard you were going to have him on, it was must-see, awesome job booking that guy. here's the question, though, at one point -- i'm sorry, dr. mitchell, at one point he said he didn't want to be the guy who interrogated. he didn't want to be the water border. but then he changed his mind. >> he was a reluctant warrior and this is a psychologist who was advising the cia on counter terrorism techniques and what might overcome someone's resistance and then they came to him and said we need you to do it and he said i don't really want to. they said, if not you then who?