sony who are barack obama donors. >> they love him. >> who are participating in a big fund-raising breakfast for barack obama. before this breakfast they're having an e-mail exchange saying what should i ask him? oh, why don't you ask him to donate money for movies or whether he wants to finance movies? what movies do you think he'd be interested in? these two go on to ping-pong back and forth. starring black actors. it's more than immature. >> that's immature. >> bernie goldberg, your friend is coming on the "kelly file" tonight and his argument is going to be those are not racist statements. >> i think it's immaturity. >> i think those are racist statements. >> you do? >> i'm not saying these are racist people. you can make a racist statement without being a racist in your heart. >> explain to me -- the joke was, okay, he'll finance another "jango." >> every single one was a black movie. >> why is that racist? >> they're taking a 52-year-old man, president of the united states, leader of the free world