rateed it as a tax so we all know he's not a nice guy and we don't know how much. you're a prosecutor. fraud here? perjury here? >> i think what's going to happen if it hasn't already, is incoming chairman will get those documents. if you recall from the hearing, he really didn't want to give us what he considered to be his work product because he wants to minimize his role in the drafting of the aca now. my guess is when you go back to the videos he was very proud of being the architect. he may testify to different things so we will go back and get those documents. what disappointed me the most, judge, was he really believed that lack of transparency, being able to fool the voter is worth while if you really like this piece of legislation. >> i'm going to move on to