bill: do you think some of that's going on? >> oh, yeah, absolutely. and it goes back to the point that director brennan made yesterday, which i really applauded the way he began that press conference by stating the case again and bringing the audience back to what had taken place on 9/11. the context of that issue. and you can only understand these decisions within that context. and now we have people 13 years later separating themselves from that and using other arguments against it. bill: so you're saying, you could make a moorl and ethical -- moral and ethical argument against this, but when you take it in context, it's different entirely. >> i mean, i went to a jesuit school, fordham university. we made moral and ethical arguments against nagasaki, against roosevelt's carpet bombing of german people. but you can only understand those decisions, and these are presidents who enjoy the respect of the american people and are being treated very well in