dr. gruber is a liar then or now. to say the bill was transparent is another insult to the american people. remember, members of congress said they never lead it. -- read it. how could it be transparent if nobody ever read it? testimony he gave under oath he can't recall. only testimony he can recall is the part on tape. it is obvious that they created a deceptive model, that made it look like you were going to save money and, people like me and thousands of others were saying, you can't cover 10,000, 20,000 more people and save money. that is idiotic. he actually believes that all of us were stupid enough to believe that. martha: gruber himself, in his prior video statements said, you know, the cadillac tax is designed so that people who have better plans are going to have to pay more to cover the people who don't have a plan. >> right. martha: we heard from mr. goldman, the waiter and independent contractor, who talked about how wonderful obamacare has been for him. then mr. gruber was asked, isn't