and most people do exactly that. >> but what do you make -- there are many watching this program right now that say no african-american young man is going to run toward a police officer after what they saw happen in staten island. because they believe, as the president suggested, that you are not going to get the benefit of the doubt if you are a young black man. >> i disagree completely. i have 31 years on the job. and not once have i ever been in a radio car when a radio run came over, a 911 call and we said what color are they, who do they love, who do they live with, we respond to help those people. and the thousands and thousands of lives that new york city police officers and law enforcement save each and every day. >> but what happened in this staten island case? critics say, a, that was excessive force for a small crime selling loose cigarettes. and, b, eric garner's humanity was forgotten when he was suffering on the ground and no one appeared to be helping him. >> number one, if the mayor of the city of new york wants us to lay down against crime, then let