grand jury failed in staten island, how did they arrive at their decision? vincent warren is the executive director of the center for constitutional rights and a former attorney for the aclu. in a moment we will also be joined by former police commissioner bernard carric. the question tonight is whether there's any reason to believe that perhaps this grand jury could have reached its decision based on something other than race? >> it is very hard to see how the grand jury would not indict on the evidence everybody has seen. i mean, all of the commentators are saying that. but i think the race piece is important. and i want to see if i can get into that with you. particularly because -- >> let's do that. but let me ask you quickly before we go to that. >> sure. >> why do we go there? why don't we just say -- under your argument that the police overreacted to put it charitably, why isn't it a case about excessive law enforcement -- about excessive