for what is happening in ukraine? that's a sovereign nation, that you had no business melting in their affairs with? do you want to hear those remarks at this point? >> absolutely. we have all the data to prove our case that putin is directing and supporting this war. this is being run out of moscow. >> right. >> that's harsh reality of it. >> you also believe he has lost control of the separatists to a degree. you don't think they are calling him up to find out what to do, do you? >> his leaders are directing the war. his leaders. russian leaders are running that war in ukraine. they are talking to his leaders in russia. make no mistake about it that's what that transmission you heard that was reported on fox, that the ukrainian government has released. but, the other thing is is, is we should put some cards on the table. the ukrainians have asked for military assistance. we should certainly provide them with the arms, ammunitions that they need.