russia's fingerprints are all over this. the question, how bloody are the fingerprints? >> we were on air for the hour, 9:00 p.m . we spent time discussing russia may have responsibility direct or indirect. if it's direct it's a bigger deal. carl levin saying this is an act of war, potentially. does this tape show us russia was directly involved in this? >> russia had been more directly involved stretching back for months we're talking about the possibility of gru officers, russian military intelligence. >> yes. these are russian intel officers helping the partisan, anti-kiev-fighters, separatists whatever you want to call them, they're paramilitary and are taking orders largely from moscow. so saying what happened, oh, my gosh, they've been blowing planes out of the sky for weeks