people's republic. minutes after. that has been depleted -- deleted and posted. intelligence sources tell the united states pretty much without question the pro-russians have these types of pictures. there is pictures of them on social media with them. the u.s. has ruled out the possibility that the ukrainians. we often warn on here about the fog war. it appears the first words from the separatists may have been crafted at least in some part or another, they or at least someone close to them tried to shoot down a plane. they didn't realize it was a commercial liner at the time. now comes the question who actually was in control of that surface-to-air battery. who pressed the button to fire. in the case who is he. a ukrainian who loves mother russia or is he a russian special forces or intelligence officer leading the rebels? greta? >> leland, okay, let's assume that this separatist who shot down and these are russian-made weapons, but