two intercepted phone calls? >> so say the ukrainian security forces. it has to be taken in that context. they're going to argue their own book on this. the two calls they say they intercepted were between a rebel commander, and a russian are military intelligence, so they say. in which the rebel commander says that we shot this plane down. the other telephone call, they say, was between a rebel who was at the crash site and one who was off-site, in which the one of the crash sites said, yes, we shot this down, i'm at the site right now, and it was our installation, our group that did the shooting down and it was about 15 miles north of here where they were stationed. so that's the latest data point. at the end of the day, this is a time where the citizens around the world are going to be very happy for the nsa, because they're going to be scarfing up these telephone calls.