discretion? >> absolutely true. as i said we all try to take the most effective route, the most efficient route to save fuel and save time but i can not believe that the captain didn't realize where he was going and say, you know, i don't think this is a great idea. i mean whether there are 34,000 feet or not, you just don't go into a hot area where they are shooting at people. that is the craziest thing i ever heard. jon: we have on screen the, the depiction of the boeing 777 and the cockpit voice recorder and flight data recorder. we still haven't found those from malaysia flight 370, one that disappeared over an ocean. they will certainly get it from this flight because it came down on land but i mean what are the chances that one airline has two of the most significant, in fact, as far as i know, about the only two significant civilian airline disasters in the same year?