ordered, and that's what the judge today has ordered. >> what's amazing to me is the irs resisted this. they have nothing to hide, and they are very confident as suggested to congress said, it happened as they say it happened, a legitimate computer meltdown, tried to look into it at two levels and it was not retrievable, the e-mails. why submit a declaration under oath, this is what happened, and if they want to send in a forensic expert to look at the computer and system, welcome. she'll sign a confidentiality agreement, she won't repeat what she says in terms of other people's tax information, but a at it. >> well, that's a good question, and that is one of the points we kept making to the judge today, which is that the stories kept changing, and that we still have not heard from the people who were responsible for reviewing and investigating the so-called hard drive crash. we don't know really what happened to the hard drive. as i pointed out to the court